Forum Obserwatora III

[jacoleko]

Umieszczam tutaj stan posiadanych kart, którymi zamierzam gra?.
Mam nadziej?, ?e dzi?ki temu te? pomo?ecie mi z?o?y? tali? do gry i ewentualnie, co nieco mi obja?ni?.

Talia Zielona (Drzewko)
Forest - Basic Land - 122 - C
Rootbound Crag - Land - 1 - R
Turntimber Grove - Land - 1 - C
Vivid Grove - Land - 4 - C
Slippery Karst - Land - 2 - C
Treetop Village - Land - 1 - U


Naturalize - Instant - 2 - C
Harrow - Instant - 1 - C
Thrill of the Hunt - Instant - 1 - C
Strength in Numbers - Instant - 1 - C
Molder - Instant - 1 - C
Gather Courage - Instant - 3 - C
Dryad's Caress - Instant - 1 - C
Scatter the Seeds - Instant - 2 - C
Windstorm - Instant - 2 - U
Tanglesap - Instant - 2 - C
Might of Oaks - Instant - 1 - R
Giant Growth - Instant - 4 - C
Relic Crush - Instant - 2 - C
Might of Alara - Instant - 1 - C
Spring Cleaning - Instant - 1 - C
Sylvan Bounty - Instant - 2 - C
Beast Attack - Instant - 1 - U
Invigorate - Instant - 1 - C
Regenerate - Instant - 1 - C
Fog - Instant - 1 - C
Viridescent Wisps - Instant - 1 - C
Luminescent Rain - Instant - 1 - C
Heal of Scars - Instant - 1 - C
Fistful of Force - Instant - 1 - C


Baloth Cage Trap - Instant/Trap - 2 - U
Cobra Trap - Instant/Trap - 2 - U


Reach of Branches - Tribal Instant/Treefolk - 1 - R


Quest for the Gemblades - Enchantment - 1 - U
Wild Pair - Enchantment - 1 - R
Beastmaster Ascension - Enchantment - 1 - R
Sylvan Echoes - Enchantment - 1 - U


Oakenform - Enchantment/Aura - 3 - C
Savage Silhouette - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - C
Fists of Ironwood - Enchantment/Aura - 4 - C
Blanchwood Armor - Enchantment/Aura - 3 - U
Web - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - U
Regeneration - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - U
Treetop Bracers - Enchantment/Aura - 2 - C
Overgrowth - Enchantment/Aura - 2 - C
Elehant Guide - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - U
Rancor - Enchantment/Aura - 2 - C
Genju of the Cedars - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - U
Entangling Vines - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - C


Lignify - Tribal Enchantment/Treefolk Aura - 4 - C


Nature's Spiral - Sorcery - 1 - U
Bountiful Harvest - Sorcery - 3 - C
Overrun - Sorcery - 2 - U
Overwhelm - Sorcery - 1 - U
Rampant Growth - Sorcery - 3 - C
Spore Burst - Sorcery - 2 - U
Shard Convergence - Sorcery - 1 - U
Hurricane - Sorcery - 1 - R
Rude Awakening - Sorcery - 1 - R
Harmonize - Sorcery - 2 - U
Nature's Lore - Sorcery - 2 - C
Howl of the Night Pack - Sorcery - 1 - U
Feral Contest - Sorcery - 1 - C
Incremental Growth - Sorcery - 1 - U
Monstrify - Sorcery - 1 - C
Recross the Paths - Sorcery - 4 - U


Joraga Bard - Creature/Elf Rogue Ally - 1 - C
Elvish Visionary - Creature/Elf Shaman - 1 - C
Nullmage Shepherd - Creature/Elf Shaman - 2 - U
Nurturer Initiate - Creature/Elf Shaman - 2 - C
Gilt-Leaf Seer - Creature/Elf Shaman - 2 - C
Wolf-Skull Shaman - Creature/Elf Shaman - 1 - U
Elvish Archdruid - Creature/Elf Druid - 1 - R
Llanowar Elves - Creature/Elf Druid - 6 - C
Norwood Ranger - Creature/Elf Scout - 2 - C
Elvish Warrior - Creature/Elf Warrior - 4 - C
Elvish Skysweeper - Creature/Elf Warrior - 2 - C
Winnower Patrol - Creature/Elf Warrior - 2 - C
Bramblewood Paragon - Creature/Elf Warrior - 2 - U
Nettle Sentinel - Creature/Elf Warrior - 2 - C
Sacellum Archers - Creature/Elf Archer - 1 - U
Wirewood Savage - Creature/Elf - 2 - C
Arbor Elf - Creature/Elf Druid - 1 - C


Awakener Drui - Creature/Human Druid - 1 - U
Yavimaya Enchantress - Creature/Human Druid - 1 - U
Verduran Enchantress - Creature/Human Druid - 1 - R
Master of the Wild Hunt - Creature/Human Shaman - 1 - R
Borderland Ranger - Creature/Human Scout - 4 - C
Matca Rioters - Creature/Human Warrior - 2 - C


Prized Unicorn - Creature/Unicorn - 1 - U
Scythe Tiger - Creature/Cat - 1 - C
Giant Spider - Creature/Spider - 5 - C
Ember Weaver - Creature/Spider - 2 - C
Stampeding Rhino - Creature/Rhino - 2 - C
Turntimber Basilisk - Creature/Basilisk - 1 - U
Grazing Gladehart - Creature/Antelope - 1 - C
Emerald Oryx - Creature/Antelope - 1 - C
Stampeding Wildebeests - Creature/Antelope Beast - 1 - U
Krosan Tusker - Creature/Boar Beast - 1 - C
Runeclaw Bear - Creature/Bear - 2 - C
Ashcoat Bear - Creature/Bear - 1 - C
Zendikar Farguide - Creature/Elemental - 1 - C
Bramble Creeper - Creature/Elemental - 1 - C
Root-Kin Ally - Creature/Elemental - 2 - U
Woodland Changeling - Creature/Shapeshifter - 2 - C
Savage Thallid - Creature/Fungus - 1 - C
Thallid Germinator - Creature/Fungus - 1 - C
Mold Shambler - Creature/Fungus Beast - 1 - C
Mold Adder - Creature/Fungus Snake - 1 - U
Snapping creeper - Creature/Plant - 1 - C


Terra Stomper - Creature/Beast - 1 - R
Kalonian Behemoth - Creature/Beast - 2 - R
Enormous Baloth - Creature/Beast - 3 - U
Timbermaw Larva - Creature/Beast - 2 - C
Beacon Behemoth - Creature/Beast - 2 - C
Paleoloth - Creature/Beast - 1 - R
Hunted Wumpus - Creature/Beast - 1 - U
Blastoderm - Creature/Beast - 2 - C
Indrik Stomphowler - Creature/Beast - 2 - U
Ravenous Baloth - Creature/Beast - 1 - R


Plated Slagwurm - Creature/Wurm - 1 - R
Craw Wurm - Creature/Wurm - 2 - C
Siege Wurm - Creature/Wurm - 3 - C


Basking Rootwalla - Creature/Lizard - 2 - C
Trained Armodon - Creature/Elephant - 2 - C
Kavu Climber - Creature/Kavu - 1 - C
Emperor Crocodile - Creature/Crocodile - 1 - R
Nantuko Shaman - Creature/Insect Shaman - 1 - C
Pincher Beetles - Creature/Insect - 1 - C
Scion of the Wild - Creature/Avatar - 1 - R
Albino Troll - Creature/Troll - 2 - U
Cudgel Troll - Creature/Troll - 1 - U
Wild Mongrel - Creature/Hound - 2 - C
Vine Trellis - Creature/Plant Wall - 2 - C


Wickerbough Elder - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 3 - C
Bosk Banneret - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 3 - C
Bog-Strider Ash - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 3 - C
Dowsing Shaman - Creature/Centaur Shaman - 1 - U
Leaf-Crowned Elder - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 1 - R
Everbark Shaman - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 1 - C
Guardian of Cloverdell - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 1 - U
Orchard Warden - Creature/Treefolk Shaman - 2 - U
Battlewand Oak - Creature/Treefolk Warrior - 1 - C
Ambassador Oak - Creature/Treefolk Warrior - 2 - C
Cloudcrown Oak - Creature/Treefolk Warrior - 2 - C
Unstoppable Ash - Creature/Treefolk Warrior - 1 - R


Fungus Sliver - Creature/Fungus Sliver - 1 - R
Gemhide Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 2 - C
Quick Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 1 - C
Might Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 1 - C
Virulent Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 2 - C
Muscle Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 2 - C
Brood Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 1 - R
Spinneret Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 1 - C


Garruk Wildspeaker - Planeswalker/Garruk - 2 - MR


Drain the Well - Sorcery - 1 - C
Exploding Borders - Sorcery - 1 - C


Gift of the Deity - Enchantment/Aura - 1 - C


Beast - Creature/Beast - 4 - C
Snake - Creature/Snake - 1 - C
Elephant - Creature/Elephant - 1 - C
Wolf - Creature/Wolf - 1 - C


Graypelt Refuge - Land - 1 - U
Verdant Catacombs - Land - 1 - R
Ancient Ziggurat - Land - 2 - C
Rupture Spire - Land - 2 - C
Selesnya Sanctuary - Land - 2 - C
Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree - Land - 1 - U


Explorer's Scape - Artifact/Equpment - 2 - C
Manaforce Mace - Artifact/Equpment - 1 - U
Kitesail - Artifact/Equipment - 1 - C
Gorgon Flail - Artifact/Equipment - 1 - U


Wurm's Tooth - Artifact - 1 - U
Dragon's Claw - Artifact - 2 - U
Heartstone - Artifact - 1 - C
Coat of Arms - Artifact - 1 - R
Kaleidostone - Artifact - 1 - C
Serrated Arrows - Artifact - 2 - C
Kraken's Eye - Artifact - 1 - U
Rod of Ruin - Artifact - 1 - U
Angel's Feather - Artifact - 1 - U
Wanderer's Twig - Artifact - 2 - C
Trip Noose - Artifact - 1 - U


Obsidian Battle-Axe - Tribal Artifact/Warrior Equipment - 3 - U


Thornbite Staff - Tribal Artifact/Shaman Equipment - 1 - U


Bottle Gnomes - Artifact Creature/Gnome - 1 - U
Metallic Sliver - Artifact Creature/Sliver - 2 - C
Antler Skulkin - Artifact Creature/Scarecrow - 1 - C
Hedron Rover - Artifact Creature/Construct - 1 - C


Terramorphic Expanse - Land - 4


Miksy

Victual Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 1 - C
Spined Sliver - Creature/Sliver - 1 - C
Sliver Overlord - Legendary Creature/Sliver Mutant - 1 - M
Sturdy Hatchling - Creature/Elemental - 2 - U
Shorecrasher Mimic - Creature/Shapeshifter - 3 - C
Watchwolf - Creature/Wolf - 1 - U
Gilder Bairn - Creature/Ouphe - 1 - U
Doomgape - Creature/Elemental - 1 - R
Centaur Safeguard - Creature/Centaur Warrior - 2 - C
Selesnya Evangel - Creature/Elf Shaman - 2 - C
Selesnya Guildmage - Creature/Elf Wizard - 1 - U
Tolsimir Wolfblood - Legendary Creature/Elf Warrior - 1 - R
Vagrant Plowbeasts - Creature/Beast - 2 - U
Woolly Thoctar - Creature/Beast - U
Trapjaw Kelpie - Creature/Best - 1 - C
Meglonoth - Creature/Beast - 1 - R
Grazing Kelpie - Creature/Beast - 1 - C
Slippery Bogle - Creature/Beast - 1 - C
Wistful Selkie - Creature/Merfolk Wizard - 3 - U
selkie Hedge-Mage - Creature/Merfolk Wizard - 3 - U
Groudling Pouncer - creature/Faerie - 2 - U


Favor of the Overbeing - Enchantment/Aura - 2 - C


Fable of Wolf and Owl - Enchantment - 1 - R


Spitting Image - Sorcery - 1 - R


Snakeform - Instant - 3 - C
Invert yhe Skies - Instant - 1 - U

[jacoleko]

Macie jakie? sugestie, co do z?o?enia talii. W sumie nawet nie wiem z ilu kart ma si? ona sk?ada? 40 czy 60 kart a mo?e wi?cej.
Mam te? pytanie, co do kart, na których widnieje na przyk?ad drzewko i ognista spiralka. Czy do wystawienia takiej karty potrzebne jest L?d z zielonej talii i Mountain z czerwonej? Podobne pytanie mam te? do takich kart, na których w jednym kó?eczku powiedzmy jest l?d i kropelka.
Przyk?ad:
http://gatherer.wizards.c...tiverseid=87959

[Watcher]

Ten centaur po prostu mo?e by? wystawiony albo za zielon?, albo za bia?? man?. Nie za obie. Plus dwie "szare" many, czyli po prostu dwa punkty many z dowolnego koloru.

Przyj??o si?, ?e talia liczy co najmniej 60 kart (w tym ok. 30% l?dów). W praktyce najlepsze z?o?enia to 60-70 kart, aczkolwiek w niektórych uk?adach sprawdzaj? si? te? talie wi?ksze (je?li na przyk?ad masz du?o mocy "dobieraj?cych karty" z talii, na przyk?ad "Howling Mine").

[jacoleko]

A wracaj?c do pytania gdzie pyta?em o kart?, na której widnieje kilka ró?nych mon, (ale wysz?o). Mam wiec rozumie?, ?e aby wystawi? ta kart? musz? posiada? ka?d? z widniej?cych na karcie.
Przyk?ad:
http://gatherer.wizards.c...tiverseid=45166

[Watcher]

Tak, musisz mie? man? z pi?ciu ró?nych kolorowych ?róde?. Sam mam trójkolorow? tali?, obecnie chyba moja najsilniejsza Ale granie pi?ciokolorow? to jaka? masakra

[jacoleko]

Ja na razie chc? si? skoncentrowa? na jedno kolorowej, czyli zielonej i przewodni motyw w niej maja grac elfy.
W sumie i tak musz? si? nauczy? gry, bo generalnie po tych 4 latach gdzie wtedy rozegra?em chyba 5 – 6 gier nic nie pami?tam, cho? zasady nie s? jakie? tam skomplikowane. Z tamtych czasów pami?tam, ?e Bono gra? na goblinach
Zaran i Simon juz nie pami?tam.

[Czosnek]

Jack ja w swoich deckach 60 kartowych mam ok 20-22 landow 25 creatur i reszta to czary ( instanty, ench itd. )